Author: Josh Avram on October 11, 2007
Merck just released phase II data on a drug called a CETP. The stock has been moving up- at least partially on this news. This drug is very unlikely to ever reach the market. I don't understand what Merck and the market are thinking!!!
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Carey Richardson
October 12, 2007
You may be a good doctor, but your investment record is mixed. I suggest that you go take the pole out from your behind and cover your Merck already.
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MD, MD
October 12, 2007
Pfizer has not shown the complete data from their failed trial with their CETP inhibitor. It would be of interest to learn whether the individuals that died or had an MI also had increased BP in response to treatment. Also what is the compositon of the lipid particles after CETPi treatment?
In response to Zetia/Vytorin outcomes, please remember that Lipitor/Pfizer initially came to market without any outcomes data and rode the results of the simvastatin and pravastatin outcomes data. Currently Crestor has no outcomes data. Lastly, Vytorin has simvastatin in it and thus has at least its known benefits. The question to be answered is the incremental benefit in clinical outcomes when adding Zetia to a statin.
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CETP inhibitor does not increase "good" HDL
October 13, 2007
Supposedly the "good" HDL is the HDL that carries cholesterol and oxidized lipid back into liver. The "good" HDL in action is moving in the direction of liver. However, CETP inhibiton blocked this movement. In fact, it increases accumulation of "oxidized" lipid and causes plaque instability by promoting foam cell formation.
A parallel: when you count the number of the trucks in a highway travelling at speed of 65 mile/hour, the higher number is an indication how much goods being transported. But when you block a high way artery and then count the number of trucks, it does not mean anything but blocked traffic.
HDLs anti-inflammatory effects were not demonstrated by PFE trial.
The HDL dogma may be wrong if used this way. It should be a marker in well functioning RCT (reverse cholesterol transport). If RCT is blocked, it does not mean much more than trouble. Foam cells, unstable plaques, infiltration of inflammatory cells into plaques together with oxidized lipid should be considered. Otherwise, we are wasting investor's money and driving R&D cost way up.
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pharmaking
October 14, 2007
@MD,MD.
I agree that lipitor had no outcomes data for several years, and that Crestor also doesn't have any now.
There are a few problems with that argument
1: Lipitor and Crestor could at least use the class effect argument, where as ezetimide is a new class with no evidence of benefit (The was a small study in Circ last year suggesting that ezetimide had none of the benefits of statins with respect to flow mediated vasoreactivity.)
2: Crestor at least has IVUS data, and apparently will have mortality data released at AHA. As far as I can tell, Merck is no where near ready with this kind of data.
3: It is true that simva has a lot of good data, but if I want to use simva- which I do- why wouldn't I just write for it- It is generic and quite cheap.
Regarding the CETP, no doubt the wreckage of this trial will be picked over for a while. My question to you is "Do you know of any drugs that decrease BP by 3 or 4 points and decrease your risk of MI by 50%?" I beleive the answer is no, and if not, how can we attribute such a large increase in events to such a small change in BP?
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